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Conflict, Power and Love Success

Mini-Love-Lesson   #190

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Synopsis: How successful loving couples powerfully succeed at handling disagreements, differences, opposing views and conflicts in three surprisingly different patterns is the focus of this mini-love-lesson.


The Best Use of Power When in Conflict

Sooner or later, every love relationship has conflict.  Some relationships are destroyed by it, some survive but are damaged, others repair fully and are even better than before while still other love relationships thrive on conflict right from the start.  What makes the differences?

Sooner or later, every love relationship has power issues whether they know it or not.  That is because it takes power to get anything done.  In love relationships, especially those called couples, families and comradeships, enormous amounts of hard to do things get done.  In the doing, conflicts arise and harmonious, effective teamwork power often is not easily achieved but when it is, everything is better and everybody usually is benefited.

Sooner or later, every couple has love issues because the giving, getting, growing and cycling of love effects and is effected by every couple’s way of handling conflicts and power issues.  It is the successful ways loving couples use power to handle conflict and differences with each other that concerns us here.

The Surprising 3 Most Love Successful Ways

Couples research into what works along with clinical analysis, has discovered three main ways or patterns of successfully dealing with power issues and conflict.  They are rather different from what the experts have previously thought and taught.  The titles, descriptions and details vary from study to study and presentation to presentation.  Here these three couple patterns of successfully dealing with conflicts and power issues are introduced and synthesized, summarized and given the following descriptive names.

The first one I call the Avoid and Finesse pattern, the second is the Volatile and Confronting pattern and the third is the Validating and Affirmational pattern.  Each of these patterns has its own benefits and advantages as well as its own drawbacks and dangers.  All three patterns involve couples who have been evaluated as healthfully having real love for each other.  They also have been measured as relationally positive in various ways such as being generally happy, stable and constructively functional.

1. Avoid and Finesse  When difficulties arise the successful couples using this approach work hard at avoiding directly confronting and conflicting with each other over the issues involved in the difficulty.  They tend to bring up that which is positive about their relationship and about each other more often.  They only very indirectly address the areas of possible contention, if at all.

At first they seem to, sort of, non-verbally agree to live with whatever is the source of this dissonance or disagreement perhaps to see if time alone will help solve the problem.  However, with close observation over time they can be seen to be gently, with finesse, handling the difficulty individually and then as a couple.   It is interesting that this can be done completely nonverbally by some couples using this system.  Eventually any lasting areas of possible dissonance and discord are verbally dealt with gently, in little bit segments, often starting with the easiest parts first.

Avoiding and finessing couples tend to be quite patient, kind, very seldom rude and genuinely nice to each other.  They highly value being in harmony with each other which is far more important to them than being right, defeating or winning over the other one.

It is not that the areas of continuing disagreement are forever unattended to.  Rather they are slowly and much more indirectly, subtly and carefully handled.  Compromise and synthesis-evolving-solutions are grown rather than openly confronted and decided.  In this system there is much less strong, negative, emotional expression.  There also sometimes is more strongly expressed positive emotion leading up to, during and after dealing with areas of oppositional disagreement and dissonance.

These couples usually are very comfortable with each other and see no reason to change this Avoid & Finesse style of dealing with conflicting opinions and opposing points of view.  If one person does get negative, the other frequently empathetically listens longer and then just counterbalances the negativity by being more lovingly positive.  That usually brings the other one back to a more love-positive way of interacting.  Sometimes the more okay-feeling spouse or love mate will directly but kindly ask their beloved to start returning to a more positive state and that clear, direct request usually is accepted.

Fairly good, healthy self-love seems to underlie this process for both people in the couple’s relationship.  In areas involving personal weakness, poor functioning and low competence leading to difficulties these couples tend to be very mutually supportive and cooperative with very little blaming or demeaning.  Gentle challenging for desired improvements does occur.

One big drawback and danger to the Avoid and Finesse style has to do with dealing with difficulties demanding quick resolution.  Another has to do with intractable problems that cannot be improved on without conscious, direct, interactive discussion.  Also some unsolved or unimproved conflict areas result in individuals repressing or suppressing negative feelings for a time, which then is followed by cathartic explosion.  At such times, these couples may distance themselves overlong from each other but usually then come back together, make up and go on.  There is also the danger that some couples get stuck in just avoiding and never get to the finessing improvements and resolution part.  This can be deeply destructive if it leads to a growing lack of self-disclosure loving and the closeness that brings.

Sometimes such couples, for various other reasons, go to family or couple’s counseling and meet with a therapist who thinks direct confrontation is the only way to go.  That might result in more harm than good being done.

2. Volatile and Confronting  Successful couples prone to using this style of dealing with difficulties and disagreements quickly become intensely, persuasively and assertively emotional.  They appear to enjoy arguing, teasing and provoking each other as they each combatively argue for their own case.
However, angry sounds, looks and gestures frequently are accompanied by occasional shared laughter, clever remarks, witty comebacks and even compliments when a point is well made.  Vigorous and heated debate is treated rather like a game and sometimes leads into passionate, aggressive style sex.  To outsiders including counselors and therapists, this style can look like purposeful, harmful fighting and destructive dysfunction.

It is important to note that couples using the Volatile & Confronting style, though arguing passionately, usually are doing three very positive things.

First, they are avoiding being seriously demeaning, personally insulting or trying to tear down each other.

Second, both are doing a good job of what is sometimes called owning their own okayness.  Therefore, they are not letting a sense of personal okayness be robbed from them by anything the other one says or does.  Thus, by way of strong, healthy self-love they both remain independent and free to clash vigorously.

Individually, both count on the other to remain emotionally okay during this fight style interaction.  If anyone’s feelings do get hurt by taking something the other one said too personally, they usually quickly convert to reparative, comforting interactions.  Later they go back to vigorous, confrontive sparring rather more carefully than at first.

Third, Volatile & Confronting couples tend to occasionally punctuate even the most volatile of their arguments with love-positive messages.  Not infrequently, this is done with brief, loving smiles, gestures, touches or words of love, respect and high valuing of each other.

Surprisingly, this often results in a final synthesis of opposing views and arrival at a solution to the difficulties better than either one of them could have individually devised.  Harmony between them usually then quickly follows.

Counselors not familiar with this kind of love-successful-interaction sometimes label such couples as high risk and dysfunctional.  In truth, they usually are among the most stable, happy and generally successful of couples.  They also tend to be among the more highly romantic, sexual, playful and lively of couples.

Drawbacks include sometimes having difficulty achieving serenity, patience, tenderness and understanding people who take offense easily.  They also can be misidentified as intolerant, combative and difficult.  They also may get in trouble handling relationship rivals or threats too aggressively.

    3. Validating & Affirmational  Successful couples who deal with relational dissonance issues in the Validating & Affirming style tend to be much calmer and more easy going while handling disagreements openly and directly with each other.  They fairly frequently are prone to intersperse oppositional statements with affirmational messages delivered with positive, upbeat tones and happy, loving looks.  They are more prone to active-loving-listening to each other longer and asking interested questions for further knowledge and clarification.  They tend to do this at some length before undertaking the teamwork of attempting solution building.  It is obvious that they usually treat each other quite kindly and with mutual respect.

This style leads to them being happily comfortable with each other as they face differences and difficultly.  Praises and compliments, with an openness to each other’s ideas, helps them to be very co-functional and positive as they mutually process oppositional points of view.  Occasionally they can become rather argumentative but, even there, they are reciprocating positive looks, gestures, facial expressions , voice tones, etc..  They definitely have a democratic approach but if they do fight they make up easier and quicker with more forgiveness than do many other couples.

Couples using the Validating & Affirming system are very consensus prone.  They have an approach characterized by unless we both win, we both lose and our love relationship loses.  Seldom, if ever, is there a one of us has to win and the other loses orientation.

Good-natured humor and increasingly growing to accept each other’s influence characterizes their relational growth over time.  Like the other successful, happy and lasting couples, expressions of love-positive words and actions occur more frequently than anything that could be called anti-love or love-negative, even when conflicting with each other.

Of all styles, couples using the Validating & Affirming approach are the best at conjoint (team) functioning.  Counter-intuitively, the tendency of this joint way of operating is seen as highly contributory to both partner’s individuality and personal actualization.  Also this system seems to make such couples quite proud of each other and their union.

Couples who tend to be Validating & Affirming are the happiest and healthiest of our three kinds of successful couples but there is one big danger.  If one of them gets unusually unhappy or negative about something, the other member of the couple may also automatically get unhappy rather than remaining more emotionally-up and able to help.

That especially can occur with a lack of understanding or self-disclosure about what is wrong.  In turn, that may give rise to the growth of various suspicions and magnified fears.  This, in turn, can lead to considerable misunderstanding and discordant miscommunication along with pronounced anxiety.  Serious escalation of difficulty may result and become quite destructive.

This is a situation which Volatile and Confronting couples tend to handle quicker and best, and one which Avoiding & Finessing couples usually dodge.

Becoming  Power Usage  and Conflict Resolving Successful

With the help of arriving at a good conflict handling system, individuals and couples can change, improve, repair if needed and can go on to bigger, better, healthy real love.  This includes couples working at learning to much more successfully deal with conflicts, disagreements and discord in their relationship.  This, of course, takes well-informed conjoint (team) effort.  With such effort, couples can become conjointly, harmoniously and wonderfully powerful and, thus, successful in the ways described above.  That is the challenge facing you and all of us.

The Big Problem of Mismatches

When, in a couple’s relationship, one partner uses one of these three styles and the other uses another style, big relational problems can result.  It is like one of them is playing football, and the other basketball and both can’t understand why the other one doesn’t play right.  Both are likely to try getting the other to do it their way, but not know how to achieve that goal.  Couples counseling with love-knowledgeable counselors and therapists can help.

I recommend checking out therapists credentialed by their countries’ marriage and family therapy professional accreditation organizations, and especially those trained in the well researched Arts and Science of Love (ASL) approach created by Doctors John and Julie Gottman, and those trained in the Emotions Focused Couples Therapy (EFT) of Dr. Sue Johnson.  Information to do so can be found online via standard search engines.  The above, as well as others and my own considerable clinical experience, have contributed to the research and clinical views informing this mini-love-lesson.

As always – Go and Grow with Love

Dr. J. Richard Cookerly


Love Success Question  Which of the three styles of dealing with opposing views and conflicts in a couple’s relationship (or other close relationship) may fit you best?


Intimate Love

Synopsis: This mini-love-lessons first helps you explore your own ideas about intimate love compared to what others think about it. Then it introduces you to the fascinating world of sensorium intimacy; and ends with ideas about how you can study developing greater intimate love; more.


Your First Thoughts

What pops up in your mind when you see the words “intimate love”? Lots of people think of something sexual. Others think of something powerfully and very personally emotional. There are a good many other people who think about both ecstatic sex and various intensely pleasurable, psychological states interwoven together.

The term “intimate love” can mean a surprisingly wide range of different things to different people.
Intimacy in a love relationship can mean knowing another and being known by another in incredible ways. It also can mean a sense of wonderful closeness, fervent shared eroticism combined with a marvelous sense of loving and being loved in very personal ways.

Some people understand intimate love to mean a wondrous sense of spiritual connection and the very best of love’s many fabulous feelings. Then there are those who see intimate love as something delightfully wicked, intriguingly naughty and scrumptiously salacious. So, what are your first thoughts about intimate love? Are they similar to any of the above? And if you currently are in what you think of as an intimate love relationship, do you know what your lover’s understanding of intimate love is? Is theirs a more psychological or a more sexual understanding of what the words “intimate” love refers to? You might want to have an intimate, lover’s conversation with them about this.

Sensorium Intimacy

For many intimate love is best experienced and arrived at visually. Being seen naked and seeing another naked, viewing and allowing one’s every, intimate part to be viewed in the most up close and personal of ways, and doing this with someone you love is what achieves intimate love for the strongly visually oriented. Looking deeply into someone’s eyes while they do the same with you, sometimes called “soul” looking, and/or looking very closely at every nuance of facial expression while being only inches away from one you love are also examples of love intimacy via the visual.

For those more auditorily oriented, intimate love can come by way of soft, warm voice tones, whispers, listening to music together and spoken words expressed in deep, close emotional ways.
For a good many others the primary sensory modality of intimate love is touch. Passionate embrace, gentle stroking, cuddling, being held and hugged, holding hands, myriad kinds of kissing, the many sensations of being touched sexually, all are involved in the tactile sensations that provide a sense of intimate love.

Some people find intimacy through taste, while for others it is achieved in an olfactory way, sometimes with the help of perfumes or essential oils. There also are those that best experience intimate love via kinetics. Being joined in slow dancing, swaying rhythmically, gently rocking back and forth and other forms of moving together greatly assist the sense of feeling intimate love for those who are naturally, strongly, motion oriented.

Of course, there are many who have a combination of two or more of the above as their major sensorium modalities. It is important to know that the major way a person senses or can be assisted in sensing intimate love varies according to which of their major sensing systems has the most impact on their emotions (on their brain’s limbic system). Most people can be reached or affected, at least a little, from each of these ways of sensing but they will have a primary sense, and the other ways of sensing will be secondary or tertiary.

If you are going to help someone you love have an intimate love experience, it can be very helpful to know witch of their major ways of sensing love is primary and which is secondary, etc. Then you can use that knowledge to lovingly assist them in having great sensations of intimate love via their primary sense. While doing that you also can mix-in your own primary sensorium modalities so that you can better simultaneously share a mutual, intimate, love experience.

Communicating For Intimate Love

They both said they wanted intimacy, but one meant sex while the other meant a sharing of deep-felt emotions. Until they learned to ‘spell out’ more exactly what they meant, they miscommunicated and neither one got the love they really were seeking. The word intimacy is one of those words which is commonly misunderstood and, therefore, frequently miscommunicated. In couples love relationships few words are as important to mutually understand as the words ‘intimate’ and ‘intimacy’. Couples’ love often can be injured when one or both members of a couple does not understand accurately what is being meant when the words intimate or intimacy are used.

All too often one of a couple mistakenly assumes that the other shares the same understanding, and also shares the same ideas of what helps intimacy occur. Actually it is fairly rare for two people in a couples relationship to have the same understanding of this term, at least at the start of their relationship. Therefore, talking about this in some detail can be quite helpful to a couple’s intimate life together. Especially important in couples love development is discovering and talking about the words and actions which may create experiences of intimate love.

Intimate Love Differences

For some, intimacy means revealing one’s most personal secrets. In a similar fashion for others it is mostly about becoming vulnerable and the risk of getting very personally hurt, but in a much wider variety of ways. There are those who achieve intimate love primarily through acts of tenderness and small, gentle behaviors. Others find intimacy is the product of big, brave and bold, uninhibited actions strongly revealing themselves. For the more sexually oriented it may mean lovers letting themselves be erotically wild, acting with unbridled, shameless abandonment, being unrestrained and free to be entirely impulsive while completely accepting each other’s actions.

Acceptance and toleration love, along with being totally unafraid of negative judgment is usually a part of this picture. Awesome sweetness, treating and being treated as precious, cherishing and being cherished, and knowing that what is important and unique about you is especially valued by one who loves you, these can be of incredible importance in intimate love. Experiencing and helping a loved one experience intimate love often takes having and giving unique personal information that would be insignificant to others. What’s your favorite color, food, song, etc. are very simple examples which can be expanded in quality.

It is important for people who want to have strong, intimate, love experiences with each other that they explore and involve themselves in, and with, each other’s differences as well as their similarities. Respecting and honoring diversity and how it might contribute to a couples relationship is often a great help in laying down a groundwork for growing intimate love.

Studying Intimate Love

Discussing what you and a beloved might mean by “intimate love” and what you both might want to do to grow more, bigger and better intimate love usually is a very good thing to do. You can also learn more about intimate love at this very website. Go to the Mini-Love-Lessons listed in the Titles Index called “Intimacy Creation – a Love Skill”, and “Growing Closeness – Love Skill”. Read and discuss them with those you are close to, then of course go experiment and practice the ideas you get from what you have learned.

As always – Go and Grow with Love

Dr. J. Richard Cookerly



 Love Success Question
Can you imagine a scenario of events and actions that you and a loved one carry out, in which you could feel very intimately loving and loved?

Is Your Affirmational Love Enough?

 

Mini-Love-Lesson # 275

Synopsis:  The importance of stating and demonstrating love by way of affirmational behaviors; a three-step process for doing affirmational love; the importance of being real; 11 hints for talking affirmationally to your loved ones; and a surprisingly numerical answer to the question “how much affirmational love is enough?” are all quickly called to your attention in this valuable mini -love-lesson.

Affirmational love charges our batteries.  It is crucial for high functioning, long-lasting relationships.  Research shows couples who utilize best practices of affirmation typically stay together happily.

It also is known to strengthen love bonds.  If affirmational love is bestowed and well received, often it results in a loved one’s increased self-confidence and subsequent accomplishments.  

Affirmation is a beautiful tool to aid the cycling of love.  When we feel appreciation, it can lead to doing affirmational loving.  When affirmations are absorbed, often there is an impetus to send back an affirming response.  An affirmation is like a stamp of approval which recognizes attributes and honors them (see “Communicating Better with Love: Mini Lessons”).

Three Steps To Affirmational Love

Affirmational love just takes three simple steps.  First notice, second appreciate and third affirm.  First we notice something positive or likeable in a loved one.  These can be characteristics or behaviors that catch our attention or something we discover when purposefully looking for qualities that we genuinely appreciate.  Next we delight in this aspect of our loved one and appreciate how it is an intrinsic part of their being.  Then, that motivates us to share our appreciation in affirmational words or actions. 

Sometimes these three steps are quick and rather automatic, at other times they may be more complicated.  If what we see and appreciate is of deep significance or major importance, finding the right words or deeds to carry our affirmational love may take more time and effort.  Remember that affirmational love is one of the crucial ways to communicate our love and enhance our relationships for quality and longevity, so, it is well worth whatever time and effort we put into it.

Here is a little example.  Suppose you notice one of the people you love being kind to a child.  You pause for a short time, quietly appreciating their kindness.  Then with tender tones you say, “Watching how kind you were to that child, really touched my heart”.  You accompany those heartfelt words with a gentle hug.  By doing these simple things, you probably have helped yourself and your loved one feel good.  Incidentally, you probably have reinforced their tendency to be kind.

It also is likely they will want to be with you just a bit more.  With this positive affirmation, they may feel stronger and their self-image may get a boost.   Your heartfelt connection with your loved one likely has been nourished and bolstered.  Another boon is that you and your loved one probably will function, psycho-biologically, more healthfully – at least a tiny bit.  Had you just noticed and appreciated but not done the affirmation, you would have benefitted but your loved one would not have known of your appreciation, nor benefitted from your affirmation.  Relationships also benefit significantly when affirmational love is performed often and well.

Being Real

Affirmation rests on authenticity and sincerity.   If our affirmations are perceived as credible and realistic they will encourage trust in us and what we are asserting.  If our affirmations are perceived as genuine, they can be relied on, whether or not the recipient perceives in themselves the affirmed quality.  

When affirmations are seen as false, fake or unrealistic, they get discounted.  The person making a phony affirmation loses credibility and may be judged as untrustworthy.  Even if the motivation is to improve or advance a relationship, making false affirmations is like building a relationship on feet of clay -  it likely will topple in the first storm.  Link “Talking Styles That Hurt and Help Love

Positive affirmational love can encourage hope, especially when someone is facing a difficult challenge.  It sends the messages, “you’re not alone”, “I’ve got your back” or “you can do it”.  Be careful not to overstate your affirmation because the affirmation is to help a person find strength in themselves.  Plus, if it is not seen as plausible, it will do little or no good. Heartfelt affirmations ring true.

Hints for Talking Affirmationally

1. Avoid lingering in the past tense, instead affirm mostly in the present and future tense.   

2. Avoid negative words like no, never, don’t, won’t, can’t and not.  

3. Avoid negative implication words and phrases like lose, quit, stop, get rid of, get away from.  

4. Avoid words that focus on or imply an absence like saying “I  want”, “I wish”, “I would like” – these can suggest that a person  lacks something.

5. Avoid drawing attention to a problem more than to a solution.  

6. Be careful with comparison words like more, greater, less, better, and worse.

7. Be careful with ambiguous words, specific words work better.

8. Use positive emotion words.

9. If possible, be pithy with brevity.

  10. Use plausible phrases and positive words.

  11. Be personal.  Use the words “I”, “I am”, “You”, “You are”, “We are” and avoid impersonal words.

How Much Affirmational Love Is Enough?

There is a host of research pointing to 5 love-positive communications to every 1 love-negative communication being optimal for keeping a spousal or heartmate love relationship well functioning (See the book, Principia Amoris: The New Science of Love by Dr. John Gottman).  Others think a 3 to1 ratio may do well enough, especially in demanding situations.  Then there are those whose studies suggest first it would be good to include evaluating the neutral communications, along with the positive and negative, before making a comparison.  There is, it seems, some evidence which suggests that more than 5 neutral to 1 positive may cause an erosion effect on a love relationship.

A question has arisen about whether a neutral message actually is a minor negative when it comes to love?  One elaboration of the 5 to 1 rule suggests both positive and negative communications must first be evaluated as to their strengths i.e. mild, moderate or strong, before comparing them.  It may be 3 mild communications equal 1 moderate, and 2 moderates make 1 strong communication, or something like that.  As you can see it can get rather complicated.

Generally the 5 to1 rule seems backed up by the most research.  7 or more positives to 1 negative may start to be too much and indicate relational devaluation of positives might occur.  If there are an equal number of negatives and positives, or if negatives outnumber the positives, that suggests that dysfunction and approaching breakup of a relationship is getting more likely.

So, now we suggest you ask yourself this question.  Do your love-positive outputs to your loved ones (praises, compliments, smiles, hugs, kisses, squeezes and so forth) outnumber your negative outputs (criticisms, scowls, gripes, growls, putdowns, complaints and the like) at the, more or less, 5 to 1 ratio?

Deeply and sincerely affirming the worth, importance and nature of those you love, definitely is a best practice of love.  Frequently sending affirmational statements and actions greatly advances the vitality and quality of love relationships.  In our experience, learning and using affirmational love nurtures and inspirits love connections.

One more little thing: are you going to talk over the ideas you have just read with someone.  If you do, it probably will enrich your to do so, at least a bit.  If you do that, please mention where they came from at this website and, thereby, spread some love knowledge around.  Thank you.

As always – Go and Grow with Love

Dr. J. Richard Cookerly

Love Success Question: Did you grow up with enough loving affirmation of your being and doings, at whatever the amount, and what effect did it have on you?

False Forms of Love: Limerence and Its Alluring Lies

With much dismay in his voice Ronald said, “Three years ago I was sure I was head over heels in love with my wife, Helen.  About a year ago that all-encompassing feeling just seemed to evaporate.  I don’t know what happened.  Something must be wrong with me.  We have tried to rekindle our love but nothing we do works.  It is not anything Helen has done wrong.  She’s the same.  There’s not anyone else.  This can’t be how love works, can it?”

The answer to Ronald questions is “no” this is not how healthy, real love works but it is typical of a form of false love called limerence.  Limerence is thought to be one of the significant causes of breakups and divorce.  In the beginning it often starts as a nearly imperceptible set of feelings of mild attraction which can grow into enormous intensity making people think they are very much in love.

Then two to four years later the limerence process winds down causing all the ‘in love’ feelings to start fading out and closing down.  Sometimes this happens quite rapidly.  Once in a great while limerence can precede the development of healthy, real couple-love if a couple works at it, but usually not.  Sometimes the condition runs its course in less than the usual two to four year long duration and sometimes lasts longer than that average.  Two people can become limerent with each other simultaneously, sometimes it’s one person who is limerent and the other truly in love, and sometimes just one person is limerent and the other has no reciprocal feelings.

Limerence feels great in the early stages but if the couple (where one is in a limerent state and one truly in love) marries and have a child the person truly in love eventually is likely to be terribly heartbroken and their life possibly severely damaged, while the limerent person’s former ‘love’ feelings are just gone.  The limerent person is highly likely to become limerent again and again, possibly leaving a string of heartbreaks behind, sometimes along with several negatively effected children.

With Ronald we went through a checklist of limerence symptoms:
1.  Experiencing intrusive, interruptive, obsessive thinking about the supposed loved one mixed with, but not limited to, romantic and passionate desire interfering with practical living, clear appropriate thinking and functioning

2.  Having acute longing for another’s reciprocal feelings of desire and focus of attention to the point of disrupting sleep and effecting appetite

3.  Having a strong emotional dependency on another’s reciprocating positive regard, sexual desire and approval with frequent over-interpretation and mis-interpretation of another’s perceived relationship related words and actions, and severe feelings of rejection and agitation when experiencing anything undesired occurring in the relationship

4.  The inability to be strongly interested in, attracted to, or love-involved with anyone but the person one is limerently focused on resulting in neglectful treatment of children, family, friends and sometimes self

5.  Unreasonably strong fear of rejection, sometimes at a nearly incapacitating level in the early stage of a limerent attachment, sometimes accompanied with uncharacteristic shyness, awkwardness and fear of doing something which will ruin the developing limerent relationship

6.  Anxiety about losing another briefly, relieved with intense fantasy of romantic and sexual union with that person

7.  Intensification of romantic connecting desires and efforts when meeting adversity or opposition to the relationship

8.  Actively over-interpreting another’s perceived positive responses and characteristics with strong down-playing of that same person’s more ordinary and negative actions, traits, characteristics, words, etc.

9.  Physical pain in the center of the chest, shallow breathing and physical nervousness with a sense of dread when any small, medium or large insecurity or uncertainty about the relationship occurs

10.  When small, positive input from the person one is limerent about occurs an over-reaction of ebullience, sense of buoyant ‘walking on air’ and exhilaration results during the early stages of the relationship

11.  A general lessening of acting responsibly or fairly to others, decreased carrying out of obligations, duties, etc. and a decrease of attending to goal achievement with a distinct decrease in functioning with necessary awareness of others beside the person of limerent focus

12.  A tendency to interpret the supposed loved one’s negative actions as somehow positive or give them excuses, acceptance and even high approval, and an avoidance or denial of perceiving their destructive and dysfunctional actions

13.  High, unrealistic adoration at first, later fading and disappearing

14.  Intensive pleasure when together, and intensive anxiety when separated or when the supposed loved one is around possible competitors, later fading to indifference and even annoyance

15 .  ‘Tunnel vision’ focusing on the supposed loved one and little else, plus blindness to all else of importance, later turning into a blindness to the supposed loved one’s developmental growth, changes and new ways of being themselves

Having at least seven of these symptoms is sufficient to qualify for being seen as probably in limerence and not really in a true, healthy love state.  Ronald, as he evaluated himself, had 10 of the 15 symptoms listed here.  It was then that he really went to work on learning and understanding the characteristics of healthy, real love.  His wife Helen did the same  (see the Definition of Love series listed at left).

People sometimes ask why does limerence exist?  The thinking goes something like this.  Mother nature invented or evolved limerence so that two people will become strongly bonded together, for two to four years, which is just enough time to get a child started in life.  Then their feelings for each other will fade or turn off, so that they will end their relationship and go looking for others to temporarily mate with and, therefore, mix the gene pool.  This is one of mother nature’s ways of ensuring genetic variety and improvement of the species, along with contributing ultimately to the survival of our species.

It is thought that most limerent people start to ‘fall out of love’ when after two to four years they either don’t have a child or a child has been born and is on the way to growing up.  Of course, this automatic shutdown of strong, positive feelings for the supposed loved spouse or mate often brings about great emotional, relational, familial and social disruption.  This is especially true in a society that has made little or no allowances for this kind of relationship phenomenon.

“How does limerence work” is another question often asked.  The thinking about that goes more or less like this.  Certain brain chemicals are stimulated when a suitable, potential baby-making partner shows up in one’s environment.  These brain chemicals compel a primitive drive mechanism which makes a person driven to temporarily but intensely ‘mate’ sexually, emotionally and relationally with another.  It is not just sexual, in fact sex can play a very secondary role in the limerent process.

Once started the cultural messages about ‘falling in love’ support the process.  Then two to four years later, on average, the brain chemicals automatically start shutting off and fading out which causes feelings toward the supposed loved one to also fade.  This false-love state then disappears and eventually the couple parts, or the limerent lover goes secretly looking for a new romantic interest.  Sometimes the other partner looks elsewhere first because they feel increasingly unloved.

What can be done about people being in limerence instead of doing lasting, real, spousal love?  There is a group of people who say nothing can be done about this.  Another group says nothing should be done about it, and they tend to like repeatedly having limerence experiences because, at the start, they feel so good.  Hopefully they have learned not to marry and not to have children with someone they have a limerent attachment to.  They seem just enjoy the euphoria, the passion and the sexuality, and usually they end it quickly when the time comes for it to be over.

Others say education is what must be done so people can make better, well-informed choices about love and love relationships.  Others counter this by saying all this is far too much under the control of mother nature for anyone to be able to do much about it, except help people when their relationship has come apart.  There are those who say good, healthy breakups and divorce counseling, post divorce counseling, and co-parent guidance counseling to handle the aftermath is the best that can be hoped for.  There are those who have advocated time-limited marriage laws.  A larger group suggests that people should live together for two to four years before contemplating marriage, and that this should be considered by a lot more people.

There is a lot more you can learn about limerence.  This false form of love was discovered during a very good research effort conducted by Dr. Dorothy Tennov.  She coined the term limerence and wrote ‘the book’ on the subject which is called Love and Limerence, published by Stein and Day.  I heartily recommend this book to those who want to know more.  There are, of course, websites dealing with this topic and some therapists who are experienced in working successfully with limerent effected clients.

Ronald and Helen went into very helpful individual and couple’s counseling which made for a healthy divorce and post-divorce recovery.  They also learned how to avoid repeating their limerence mistake and how to go toward growing healthy, real, spousal love.  Now six years later both are in healthy, real love marriages and have children, and they are doing very well.

As always, Go and Grow with Love

Dr. J. Richard Cookerly


Love Success Question
Can you tell the difference between healthy, real, spousal love and Limerence?  To check this out you might use the material in the Definition of Love series entries and compare them to the above 15 Limerent symptoms listed in this entry.  Forewarned can be forearmed!


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  •           Anon
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    My ex girlfriend had Borderline Personality Disorder. The word limerence would be a massive understatement for what I went through!
  • JG
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    @Anon
    Anon, that is terrible. I was once in a similar circumstance. The only thing worse than limerence is being limerent over a person with Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder or with Sociopathy. I would not wish that on anyone. How do you cope?
  • bk
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    I had this experience too. For the past three years I was (and still probably am, to some small extent) limerant over a person whose behavioural patterns are characteristic of Narcisissm or Sociopathy. Being limerant over someone who then manipulates and abuses those feelings, and triangulates using other relationships, literally torturing someone because their mental state allows it – well, let’s just say it was the worst, most damaging thing that could possibly have happened to me. If I could go back in time and lose both legs in a car crash rather than experience this, I would, without a second’s hesitation. In those years I lost everything – my job, home, everything I own beyond a suitcase of clothes, my well-being and self-esteem – and did things in a constant effort to keep this person engaged that harmed me immensely. But the emotional devastation has been so much worse. Before this happened I was a stable person with stable relationships and (perhaps significant) no real great love story. Now, I’m in therapy and have trouble holding jobs and some days I still spend in a state of overwhelming feelings of loss and sadness. It’s hard to explain, it’s not like other kinds of depression – it’s like I have totally lost all sense of place or meaning in the world, and the feelings of abject misery are constant and intense, rather than flat or subdued. And this is well over a YEAR on. I don’t know of any way to get over it except time and the support of those few that have experienced something similar. It’s not something I would ever have understood, except for having gone through it. It’s like nothing else and nothing like the end of a ‘normal’ relationship.
    • Franki
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      Its been 9 years and despite the pain and torment he put me thru, i still dream of him… Sometimes they are ‘perfect’ and others are like reliving the nightmare… But as i recall the dreams as waking up, i remember exactly how i felt emotionally. My heart racing, hands sweaty, enamored…. I hate to love him. I try to convince myself hes haunting my dreams, but i know its my brain being lonely and needing that surge of “love” and my body becoming chemically dependent, so to speak, on the rush. He doesnt deserve the time or energy, but one cannot control their dreams or random thoughts, and in turn pisses me off to no end. Its a vicious cycle because of it i havent had a real relationship since. I am left numb towards anyone and awkward out of fear of being hurt again. I have loved 1 other since him, but he clearly stated that he didnt feel the same way. Its painful, and very lonely on this roller coaster… Now i have a word to put to the problem. Cheers and good luck!
  • bw
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    @bk
    BK. I experienced the same situation you did. There is hope! You will get stronger! Read all you can! There are support groups! I found a great one on Facebook. Being in a community of people that understand the devastating effects of Narcissism and Sociopathic disorders is really important. You are right when you say others that have not experienced this will not understand. Do self-care! You will get stronger and better!
  • batman
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    I think I may be in limerence. I have tried but it seems I can’t think more than 50 % rational anymore. This disease has adversely affected my social behaviour, my confidence and has also made me paranoid. I have read somewhere that LIMERENCE IS ALL ABOUT US ! I have accepted that. Also that there can be a triggering factor for this. In my case, it was the frequent glancing, but once during my minor project viva, there was a long gaze. I couldn’t take my eyes off, and I don’t know why she didn’t. I could not keep track of time and when my project partner shook my arm, I felt so many things break inside me. I took my eyes sideways and was all teary, I can’t explain why. From that day onwards, I felt this feeling was reciprocable. But alas, through continuous research, I have found it can’t be.. because sadly ITS ALL ABOUT ME. Limerence is like magic! It hurt me to the very core, but still I can tell the feeling was truly divine. I have done some research on love and related stuff and don’t find it appealing. I can’t and won’t fall in love ever, because its not natural, its acquired, although it’s pretty good for company though ! But those still haunt me.
  • batman
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    * those eyes
  • brightonrock
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    I have been/still am limerent over a narcissistic person, it really is the worst possible combination ever. This has gone on over ten years and resulted in him suddenly abandoning me after almost daily contact for ten years so as any other person suffering with limerence can imagine, this has caused me unimaginable distress. I would wholeheartedly recommend the website limerence.net It has excellent advice and a helpful forum. I would also recommend reading ‘Love and Limerence:Harness the Limbicbrain by Lynn Willmott & Evie Bentley
  • Shiken
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    So limerence is false love? What makes it false? That in doesn’t last long?
    What validates love -or any other feeling- is not how long it lasted but that you felt it, and it felt very real to you. It stirred from inside you, touched you to your very core, it was very intense, overwhelming, all-consuming. It doesn’t matter if it lasted for 6 months or 5 years or two decades. What matters is that it happened. It is not inferior to long lasting love, and you shouldn’t dismiss it as folly. People who experienced it will never forget it because it can be more real to them than anything else. How they say it in films and books?… it made you feel alive.
    And if it is not reciprocated, it is still love nonetheless.
    The article lost its credibility to me when it tried to explain limerence as mother nature’s trick to get two people together for the purpose of having kids. Please…..
  • nobody
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    i went through this same thing. and i used to say the exact thing “i’d rather have a horrible illness than feel this way” but i ended up developing chronic fatigue and was diagnosed with fibromyalgia, because i was so emotionally damaged by body ended up breaking down and i take it back haha. (recovering!) but I wanted to tell you, bk, that this is truly the best thing that could have happened to you, though i know it’s difficult to see now. someone brought all of your secret doubts and fears to the top, and it’s your job now to do some deep self study and to learn who you are, why you would succumb to these lies you’ve been fed and live around them. god did not create you to continuously resort to another for self worth AND emotional stimulation, that which you do have in common with the “sociopathic” person, an individual who really is just as damaged as yourself, but who does not know him or herself the way you WILL know yourself and therefore needed you just as badly to maintain their own sense of self and self worth, but without understanding why. and how pathetic is that…but really, what is any person’s self worth? who can truly know his or herself without knowing the one who created them first? And god IS able to provide you both the anchor that you crave and the emotional stimulation, he did make your brain, after all, in that exact way, for a grander purpose than obsession. you have been allowed to suffer, to be stripped of everything, in order to see the things that are real and the things that matter, and you are already on the right path in your quest for find answers. unlike that fool who wronged you, let him or her continue down their path of destruction and ignorance. you keep going and keep your chin up, wherever you are with it now. there is a light at the end of the tunnel, believe me.
  • Michael
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    I believe the limerent suffer with no relief and deserve our compassion, having lived with a sufferer – my 61-year-old wife has been limerent for 18 months,. Her Love Object is her first boyfriend. I believe we have been caught in a perfect storm. She has abandonment issues (mother died when she was 8, father alcoholic, me a workaholic, emotionally unavailable and lately my depression has caused problems with our business) and she has love addiction making her believe in Prince Charming and happily ever after. The catalyst to her limerence was her boyfriend finding her on social media and her mother insisting that we celebrate her 60th birthday. I was shocked at her sudden change in behaviour and I worried about her stability. To stay close by and keep an eye out for her safety (it turns out the boyfriend suffered a major depressive illness a year or so before the looked her up, has an alcohol challenge and anger management issues, and has unresolved issues arising from the fact that she dumped him when they were 17 years old). I gave her affair my blessing, hoping to be there to catch her when she falls through the cloud she’s on. That’s the background of my question which is this: Is the only course of action I can adopt or are there intervention strategies I can trial?
  • thewife
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    I am married to someone that suffers greatly from Limerence and probably other disorders. I am desperately looking for a support group that can help me cope with this. 2 days ago I flipped out when I discovered the depths of my husband’s disorder and the actions he has taken to communicate with his object, the changes in his behavior, his lying to me, etc. Needless to say my flip out was a demand for him to leave the house and go to his parents house. So far he has not reached out to me. I didn’t say do not call me. I feel uncomfortable calling his parents house. They never liked me and if he is or isn’t there either way that sure is a horrible conversation if they answer the phone. He may have gone to his object’s home for all I know. After I kicked him out I discovered more about his relationship with her and he she lives only 3 miles from our house. He has her address as he has mailed her gifts over the past 15 months of their relationship. She is single. He does not have a cell phone. I have no support by family or friends and am very lonely and freaked out for myself and him. I love him so much and it hurts like hell. Thank you.
  • Shiken
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    @Michael
    So your wife’s mother died when she was 8 years old but now she wants to celebrate her daughter’s 60th birthday???
  • Shiken
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    @thewife
    Why cling to someone who obviously doesn’t want you and made it clear on several occasions? This is something I will never understand. If he wants to go, open the door for him and wish him luck. By clinging onto him you will just embarrass yourself. Btw, I don’t believe he doesn’t have a cellphone.
    Do you have kids with him?
  • Michael
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    Shiken, I am sorry. My mother-in-law is my wife’s step-mother. Her birth mother died when she was 8.
  • B
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    I strongly disagree with a great deal of this.
    If we are often limerant, the problem obviously lies within us, not our partners.
    So are we supposed to keep searching for “the One”?
    If we are with someone and their are no red flag issues, I believe real love can be CULTIVATED after infatuation fades.
    I don’t think the answer is to always bolt.
    Just my experience 
  • LPS
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    I’m a psychotherapist and I found this article to be simplistic, and I imagine perhaps unhelpfully so to some people. I think maybe the core disagreement that I have with the piece is the seeming lumping together of limerence and projection. One can be in limerence and not be projecting all one’s hopes, dreams and needs onto that person. I do agree that if one is doing the latter, and one is unable to transition out of that through dialog with that other unique, subjectively sovereign human being, as well as with one’s own vulnerabilities and inadequacies, one can get into real difficulties and not discover a “true” loving process. I think sometimes too that those with anxious-preoccupied adult attachment styles are more prone to projection and probably often choose partners with dismissive-avoidant styles, setting up destructive dynamics. Although difficult, these are not impossible to work through and to find loving ways of being together in wonderful, mature relationship. Relationships are extremely complex and the dances we dance in them are coloured by all kinds of factors and difficulties. Love is so worth the effort, whether starting in limerence or otherwise!
  • Ignis
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    Hearing all of your stories is indeed heartbreaking. However, it is comforting to some degree seeing that I am not alone. Like all if you, I have also been hurt. Unfortunately, I have had what appears to be many limerent ex’s. I have experienced multiple heartbreaks, but the one from last year completely shut me down for several months. I still am not fully healed.
    It began a bit reckless. He fell head over heels for me in an instant, or at least thought he did. His obsession made me feel uncomfortable and I almost left him. I stayed because I was infatuated by him. I believed we were kindred spirits, which made me feel less alone. I have major depression and anxiety alongside NVLD. I suffer from many phobias, and Philophobia is among the top. I want to get close to people, yet fear it so intensely. I take years to open up to people.
    Anyway, I was hesitant to trust or love him right away. In retrospect, I now realize I handled it normally. He was obsessive and swore he loved me and that he’d never leave my side. He made many outrageous claims as I was dangerouslying close to running away from him. He was showing too many signs of my limerent ex’s. I wasn’t familiar with that term up until now though.
    Regretfully, when I finally let my walls come down he randomly lost interest. Looking back, I do recall him talking about losing the spark.
    [NOTE: EDITED DUE TO EXCESSIVE LENGTH]
  • Viv
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    My husband started an affair after 21 years of marriage. We both have experienced limerence throughout our marriage. I have starved myself in those instances. I think he has as well. Recently, a single woman (50) wanted my husband. I am 43, husband, 44. She is unattractive and desecrate fora man. My husband and I both were going through midlife crises. She knew it and befriended me to get close to my husband. I am from Tennessee, but live in Stockholm, Sweden, where my husband is from. Now my husband is living with the LO, has sued me for divorce, is selling our house, and has signed my 16year old daughter over to me, requesting that we move back to the states, so he can be happy. I have cried, begged, and pleaded, for six months. How do you suppose our situation will look in four years?
  • Silas Barr
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    I am showing the symptoms of limerence, but, I can’t accept it, I feel like I really do love her!!!!
  • Maddox
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    Sir, I always get skeptical when someone uses the term “healthy relationship”, because what might be healthy and desirable for one person could turn out to be the wrong way for another. We choose our individual lifestyle, and we choose our lovestyle.
    I would not want to live in what you define as a healthy relationship because it would bore me to tears. I don’t want to get so familiar with anyone as to fart in front of each other — this concept may stem from another time where people had no choice.
    Today I can pick and choose … and I choose limerence and a passionate affair over something that sounds like a lifelong prison sentence. Please be tolerant enough to accept the simple truth, to each their own.
  • gyoza
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    @Shiken
    Shiken, what you described is not love though. True love isn’t time limited. It is not jealous or insecure. It is not needy but the opposite: it is giving. It necessitates work and self-sacrifice and deep concern for another person’s well being. It also has an element of loyalty. Limerence isn’t completely not love, it often evolves into true love in mature individuals, when they realize there’s more to feeling attracted to another person. For me, limerence stage was great for what it was, but the real treat was when real love started, when I know I can come home and there’s someone who’s completely got my back. That said, you need to work to build towards that stage.
  • gyoza
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    @Maddox
    Sure, but what you perceive to be healthy for you wouldn’t necessarily be healthy for your partner or your children (if you bothered to have any). Whenever you’re in a relationship, it’s a team’s game, no longer your own life, but a united group of lives that are effected. Also, what might seem good to you during one stage of life might not be good at other stages. Long lasting healthy relationships precipitate stability, support and emotional security in later life, usually with prosperity of family. You leave multi-generational legacies behind. That might not be you cup of tea or ever be your cup of tea. Not everyone has to do that. I’m only saying that as it’s something to consider.
  • Maria
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    I could use some advice please. I am fairly confident I am in Limerence. Here is my story.
    In 2015 by chance a man and I became attracted to each other at first sight. I had tried off and on from the first time we dated to pull back because he had disclosed first that he was not ready for a relationship, timing, etc… and ultimately that he had met a woman (married) 7 years ago who over time have created a strong bond between themselves. He feels he loves her, and she told him he was very special to her. We dated for about 4 months but he cut it off because my feelings were getting too strong and he realized this and told me he did not want to hurt me. I feel they are both in Limerence themselves. I feel this relationship is not going to work out for them and I know it sounds bad because I know I am in Limerence over him but I still want to be with him and feel that we may get back together if it does not work out with their relationship. Is this a realistic expectation? Our paths have crossed a few times and at one point he told me he did want to keep seeing me but that again, he wants to see if it is going to work out. Sigh! Who am I fooling? Myself.
  • eb
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    I’ve come to realise I’ve been in limerence over one person for possibly over 2 years, I have been with my boyfriend for almost 6.
    He’s a friend of my boyfriend, there was a group of us who used to hang out and drink together.
    When it started it wasn’t so bad because I expected it to go away. It sounds really ridiculous but I think it all started with a dream I had about him. In the dream we met at a train station and he held me, it felt wonderful. We’ve all had plenty of romantic dreams so tried not to think much of it but it changed the way I saw him from then on.
    My boyfriend ended up moving into a share-house with him and another friend and that’s when things got worse. We were spending more time together and my infatuation became intense.
    The guilt was equally as intense because I love my boyfriend, my feelings for the other guy made me incredibly confused about my relationship. I began to doubt it’s authenticity, how could I love two people at once?
    Nothing ever really happened besides a lot of flirting, I figured I can’t control my feelings but I can control my actions (for the most part) but when we began to sit too close, the knees touching, the hands touching, extended eye contact. I got scared. One night everyone else had gone to bed and we stayed up watching TV, he put his head on my shoulder. I thought my heart was going to leap out my chest, I was equally thrilled and terrified. I rested my head on his. I relished the moment because I knew I’d probably never get to see him from that angle again. The show finished, I got up, he woke up, we turned everything off and I went in bed with my sleeping boyfriend.
  • MT
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    I don’t believe all of these situations are limerance. I believe a lot of them are just cheating and people having affairs on each other. Self diagnosis is not always good and some are looking for a reason to find hope and justify others actions. If after 20 plus years of marriage your husband has left you it doesn’t mean he is limerance it means he cheated and moved on and it’s time for you to move on as well. Sometimes we must except that not all relationships work out even when you’ve given all that you have, I’m sure we’ve all experienced a failed relationship we may have been the cause or perhaps our partners nevertheless we have to push forward and live because the one who has moved on is living their life with no worries about you. prayer and time really does heal. I wish the best for all of us in these heart breaking situations.
  • Yr Mom
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    What is the difference between any of this and how you feel when you first fall in love? Are you supposed to only be like gee whiz I hope I can iron this man’s shirts one day? Let’s sit next to each other in a restaurant and not speak for forty minutes.
    Seems like a word that originally had a meaning but has since jumped the shark. Now it’s just a word people use to pathologize the sad but common experience of having an affair.
  • Keik
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    @Shiken
    Shiken,
    I agree wholeheartedly with you! All love relationships start off with infatuation. When my husband and I first met, we were gaga over each other. Couldn’t eat, couldn’t sleep, couldn’t stop thinking about each other. Over time those feelings subsided and just developed into natural love. This whole nonsense of “limerence” is just another word for infatuation and breaking it down as if it’s some kind of special mental illness is academic bullshit.
  • Keik
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    P.S. We have been together now for 15 years.
  • Keik
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    @Yr Mom
    Yr Mom: Your comment made me laugh and laugh! That is awesome! 
  • Janet
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    How do you get rid of limmerence is what I would like to know? Some of it is pleasureable, and some of it is just too painful, and serves no logical purpose, in the end. I think if the object of it has personality disorders, it’s like the perfect storm or should I say torture device. You know it wont work and they abused your feelings and vulnerability, but yet you still can’t let go and feel in different like you know you should. You end up feeling like you’re addicted to the pain, because even when you get away and move on, reminders and people connected to them still dredge it up again, if they come crawling around to report back to them. I just ignore this flaw in myself lately, and live with it at this point. I’m pretty darn happy overall, and so it could be worse. Its just weird though as I wasn’t allways like this. Usually I get over things in a normal period of time. Maybe at some point of time the wrong person at the wrong time, taps into your worst fears about yourself, and they’re able to inflict a ton of damage, and you’re tied to that person because of it. Even when you don’t want to be anymore.
  • Ron
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    I have come across a funnily tragic case study of sorts on blogger. It’s called Limerence In The Age Of Terror.
  • Aiden
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    Limerence is very real, and I have been limerent multiple times with multiple guys. It goes so far beyond infatuation, so far beyond being enamored. It feels like being completely in love by Universal ordinance or “soul connection,” even without much knowledge and foresight about the other person (in my cases). It is debilitating in its obsessiveness.
    The “Mother Nature’s genetic variety” relative to having children isn’t an appropriate reasoning for someone like me, who is limerent for men, being male. Anyhoo, I appreciated the information and especially the list.
    But, what is the proper term for one suffering from limerence? Limerent is an adjective, but would it also be the descriptive noun? (i.e. “I am a lemerent.”) Just curious. 
  • Paul
    May 21st, 2017 at 15:57 | #34
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    I am having the same experience and feel like I am currently in peak limerence, it is really is the most excruciating and disturbing experience I’ve ever had. The worst part is the intrusive thoughts and fantasies which I just can’t turn off even when I am at work. I just really hope that this will subside before I risk losing my job because I can’t focus. I’ve known my limerent object for about 18 months now and though I’ve only recently read about limerence I can see I’ve been experiencing pretty much all all the symptoms in the list at the top of the page.
    Even though rationally it’s clear to me that my limerent object is completely unattainable and not interested in a relationship with me, she has a husband and a child not to mention a boyfriend as well as children in another country and yet I can’t can’t seem to get rid of the projections and fantasy. I’m also aware in some way that she is stringing me along and possibly getting some form of enjoyment from my attempts to make a connection and gain reciprocation – her messaging replies are never more than neutral. I even tried to get her to reject me in her messaging but she won’t.
    I’m going to try total no contact – no more messaging to gain her attention, no more visits to the shop where she works. Any thoughts on this way forward? I know it’s not possible to ever forget her but I need to get some perspective and reduce the limerence as soon as possible.
    • Mark Pedzinski
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      Paul me too am suffering from such similarities… Mine continues…  she’s married, 14 year old son. Her husband suspected but is unsure. She claims she split up after her claim her husband hit her. She appears to be BPD! Best thing to do is break contact move on… I don’t know how far you came to accept all her situation, bf too? BPD has two destructive behaviours.
      Anyway, this isn’t my only limerence… Like my 3-4th lifetime. Jayne, Lisa, Ashley, Now Jennifer… My first married one. But, by no means should we expect more than boundaries. It happened between you and I… Something is keeping it going… Could be her talk… Love and miss yous. . I’m explosive mean to mine when she fails a plan…
      Like these past 11 days, like I fight 6 days…. Sad for 2… And there’s a younger woman interested in me, who’s been showing more true… My 3rd limerence… Obviously I’m on my 4th.. like I can’t go back on previous. Like the feeling, drive, motivation is dead? Idk. But, it’s always a previous limerence I friend, on a friend basis.
      To answer your question, playing hard to get, coy, will help… But, then is the fear if your not there, not supportive, what’s the object doing to replace you. Remember, they aren’t single. I’m only 3 months in mine, but more information comes to light, perhaps, mine has a bf too? Lol. Mine is an infp personality… Which 75% woman get affected by their feeling side. My advice to you is balance yourself out with someone else. A friend! Another gf, doesn’t work obviously. Tried a gf for 5 days kinda approach, me and her decided friendship is best. Me and friend is progressing. Breaking away, I love my friend Ashley. Like my 3rd limerence. And, I wasn’t committed to her last year. While I’m committed to my 4th limerence this year. But, Jen is OK I date Ashley. I’m honest with Ashley.
    • Nikki Barnett
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      @Paul , as a woman I can tell you that she is absolutely stringing you along because she can. You show her she can by continuously doing all the things that make her feel what a person does that is wanted and she hasn’t had to do anything but give a simple seeming mundane reply. This isn’t to say she is a bad person when the fact is that any one of us are capable of it on some level as so with being with someone who goes so far above and beyond that you lose respect and intimately could end up emotionally abusive without ever having or having since that kind of character or personality. If you want her attention stop dropping yours at her feet for her to pick and choose when you’re worthy of notice. She WILL get in touch with you! I want to tell you to play your cards right but you have to be realistic. If she was experiencing mutual attraction you would absolutely know as we all reciprocate when we do. That being said even so you wouldn’t be able to have the relationship you obviously are in need of emotionally. Too often people don’t think about the fact that our intimate relationships are as special as they are because we don’t have that connection that often in life. Yes, we all have ppl we’ve dreamt of and crushes over but that connection you feel with another that connects with you too. You will miss out on that woman if you don’t stop spending time allowing this woman to distract you from someone that will give you a feelings thousands of times stronger than what you think you’re feeling by giving you the attention and love your disrespecting yourself to get. Be patient and stop looking in that direction or she will walk right past you.
  • Pamela
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    I’m shaking my head at this. As I see it this is the normal infatuation stage of love. It’s supposed to be intense. This is what makes you bond with someone. It’s like the romantic form of the parent/child bonding people get when they hold their new baby. It doesn’t remain that intense, it’s not supposed to. If you marry, you’re supposed to expect the intense part to fade, but there should be feelings of affection deepening in the meantime. By the time this intense feeling fades, the deeper bond of family, from having lived with someone a couple of years should have replaced it.
    • Gerald
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      Thank you, Pamela! I’m pretty sure ‘limerence’ is NOT in the Diagnostic Service Manual (DSM 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5). If it is, please show me! The DSM 5th edition (notice psychology too has evolved) is the diagnostic tool used in the psychological field to aid in diagnosing mental health issues and is used by trained professionals. After reading both Dr. Cookerly’s article, documentation and a bulk of the comments here it appears to me that the article is another misguided attempt to shed light by villainizing our emotions further estranging us from ourselves. Many of us have been conditioned to believe that limerence, or ‘in love’ feelings, are the true sign that we’ve found our ‘true love’ and quite often becomes part of what has become known as ‘the relationship escalator’, i.e. you notice you’re attracted to someone, you befriend each other, you notice your attraction grow, you begin dating, you fall in love, become ‘boyfriend’ and/or ‘girlfriend’ and so on (even the breakup or divorce has become so frequent that they too are part of ‘the relationship escalator’ in my experience and observation).
      Limerence is the clinical name for the ‘in love’ emotion and experience. While I do agree that if that’s what someone is basing their relationship on, and many people do ‘end it’ when it when the ‘in love’ experience diminishes, it doesn’t give a relationship very much resilience. However I would not villanize the emotions associated with our ‘in love’ experience. There are behaviors which I believe we can be more aware of that diminish our relationship’s resilience, such as possessiveness. Possessiveness may show up as feelings. However it’s a behavior based on the belief that something belongs to us.
      There certainly is nothing false about an emotion. However having expectations that lay unexplored and unnegotiated based solely on emotions can be devastating to a relationship. There are many books out there and there are some well written resources. I’m just a relationship coach. I encourage your exploration and evolution.
      Great blog, Dr. Cookerly.
  • AnaV
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    @Michael
    Dear Michael,
    I am reading this in Nov 2017.
    How are you doing?
    Love,
    A.V.

  • Spot
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    Limerance sounds like Love Addiction.